Just Da Truth: The Banana Boat and Much Ado About Knotting

Just Da Truth: The Banana Boat

and Much Ado About Knotting

The Jodi Arias Murder Trial: The Other side of the story

Fact based Reporting by

Amanda Chen & Rob Roman

All aboard the banana boat!
All aboard the banana boat!

A person who calls himself “Brad Justda” runs a blog and a forum site called Just Da Truth (JDT) where people enthusiastically discuss different aspects of the Jodi Arias case. This is a great thing to do. We all want to know the truth, we want to debate, and we want to find out what we can about different aspects of the case.

Brad Justda makes some very astute points and he is willing to discuss all things great and small about the case and really dig into things, but there’s a problem. He likes to say he is debunking a person’s claims, but when he gets debunked, he remains silent.

Most people relying on JDT’s ideas are prosecution supporters. We respect people who believe Jodi Arias is guilty of 1st degree murder. They are welcome here. We just find fault with the proof offered by people who believe there is no other possibility, like Juan Martinez and Just Da Truth. This is because we keep finding flaws in their arguments and evidence.

There’s another problem, too. Looking at Brad’s arguments, he often builds a logical argument on top of an illogical premise. He builds a logical argument with illogical conclusions, and he makes absolute statements about his conclusions, which is unscientific. He also feels that a person must prove they are innocent of an accusation instead of the accuser having to prove things, which is contrary to law.

Brad tries to debunk the idea that the strands found on Travis’ bathroom floor are from the rope Jodi said Travis used to tie her up with. Actually, that was not really offered up as proof that there was a rope by debaters, but just a possibility.

The Pillow Fringe and the Rope

For example: For Jodi Arias to be be not guilty by reason of self-defense, a knife needs to be in the bathroom, or else it seems Jodi could have run out to the bedroom and out of the home when attacked. Arias testified that the knife was in the bedroom / bathroom area because Travis used a knife to cut the rope they used to tie her up in a sex game. Justda sets out to prove there was no rope and therefore no self-defense. Jodi said the rope was something like decorative drapery cord. She estimated the rope was about 20 feet long. JDT debunks and then even re-debunks this on his blog:

Jodi Arias: Re-DeBunking the Rope

“Despite how thorough I thought I was in my previous blog about the rope, it turns out many Jodi Supporters were not convinced, and didn’t think I went far enough in considering decorative drapery tie-backs as a source for the fiber evidence found at the scene.

On my lunch hour, I went in search of a fabric store. I found one place that claimed they were for home decorating, which I guess is different than regular fabric stores. The girls at the counter were very friendly and one girl helped me out a lot in figuring out what was what.”

http://justdatruth2012.blogspot.com/

Then he goes on and gets busy with some mathematical equations and the dimensions of the bedroom and the bed and even the dimensions of Jodi Arias to debunk that darn rope:

“Bear with me a minute while I lay out the factual details: Travis had a king size (or California king, Jodi couldn’t recall) bed. A King size bed is 76″ wide at the headboard (or 6’4″). A California king is 72″ (or 6′).” 

“If you take the span of your arms from tip to tip you get your height. The same works in reverse, if you take your height, you get your arm span. Jodi is 5’6, so let’s assume from from fingertips to wrist is 6″. That means for Jodi to extend her arms to be tied, she had about a foot and a half total on the mattress.

Jodi’s wrist would be about 5-6″ in circumference. Let’s give them another 3 feet for wrapping and tying (18″ for each wrist, so about 2 times around and then tie). We’re now up to 9 feet total of necessary rope if it’s a California king and let’s say 9 1/2″ of rope if it’s a King.”

JDT decides that Travis and Jodi would require about ten feet of “necessary rope”.

I caught an error right away. This claim is easily refuted with a few simple memes. Brad’s premise is that the rope was set up like this:

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That wouldn’t work too good. JDT can review his math equations and geometry, and go through all his calculations all he wants to. It only took me 5 minutes to come up with a diagram showing a better way to tie a person up on a sleigh headboard which also happens to align with Jodi’s story:

brad B

It seems that sometimes JDT sees the result he wants and then he works his way backwards to get it. Then he writes that most likely, if Travis cut the rope, he would make more than one cut, and so the knife would be in the bedroom. But you may remember that Travis was a neat-knick, there’s a place for everything and everything in it’s place, kind of thing.

You will remember that Travis is a clean and tidy neat-knick.
You will remember that Travis is a clean and tidy neat-knick.

So I imagine, if I were him, and I didn’t want to return to the kitchen right away, I might place the knife in the bathroom.

The Rope and the Strands in the Bathroom

There were some unidentified strands in the bathroom that were photographed. and some Jodi supporters thought this could be possible strands from the rope.

strands of material found in bathroom
strands of material found in bathroom

Some Jodi supporters thought this could be strands that were part of a long length of soft, braided curtain tie rope or cord. which is what Jodi said was the type of rope Travis used.

Sample of braided curtain tie cord
Sample of braided curtain tie cord

The pillows in Travis' room

JDT saw some material on a pillow at a store that looked like the strands in the bathroom. He buys the pillow and brings it home and he then demonstrates that the material from the pillow he bought looks like the material in the bathroom. Imagine that. Since his pillow is a new, cheaper pillow, there are loose strands he can easily pull out and then he notes, via calculations, that the length is about the same. Eureka! Or should I say Yreka!

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Does he understand that both the pillow fringe and braided strands from the curtain cord could be made out of the same type of material? JDT also saw some sunscreen and this means to him that there must have been a Cancun murder ultimatum. Whoop-De-Doo! You solved the murder case, Brad.

That Thing on the Stairs

that thing lt crJustda also goes after the unidentified material on the stairs to prove there was no rope. That material was a byproduct of photographing the stairs. It was never measured or entered into evidence and it was never intended to be evidence.

The defense merely presented this as a possibility.  It’s never been identified.

Yet JDT proves that this material didn’t come from a rope he has never seen or examined.  Actually, the material remains as it was before: inconclusive. I guess JDT made all those trips to the fabric / materials store for nothing.

Secondly, the defense does not have to prove there was a rope. The Prosecution has to prove that there wasn’t a rope and that Jodi brought the knife into the bedroom and bathroom with intent. The prosecution would need to prove the knife was either brought into the home by Jodi or that she brought a knife upstairs with the intention of using it  on the victim. The Prosecution failed to do so, and so did JDT.

Thirdly, JDT offers up new samples of curtain tie back material he finds at a fabric store in 2014. Without a sample of the actual rope to go on, JDT erroneously reports that no strands from any curtain tie back material can possibly be responsible for the strands in the bathroom because the ones he tested don’t bend the right way.

It’s Curtains For That Rope

Look at all the samples he “tests”.

What woman would allow a guy to tie her up with any of these materials, except maybe the green yarn? None of the samples are like the decorative material in the photo above the pillow photo.

JDT checked all these curtain tie back materials

He also decides that the strands in the bathroom must come from the fringe on Travis’ bedroom pillows.

On Facebook, Justda goes so far as to say that the pillow strands were probably tracked into the bathroom by Jodi’s footwear. George Barwood cleverly countered that if the strands were from the pillows, then the strands were probably tracked in by the rope!

The argument then proceeds to the fact that the pillows that were in Travis’ bedroom are now at his sister’s home, in Tanisha Sorenson’s guest room. Calls have gone out to bring the pillows into evidence. This would be evidence of what, exactly?

Wild About Trial was talking about the pillow fringe possibly being the source of the strands on May 4, 2013. The detectives spent three days in that house because “We didn’t want to miss a thing”.  You’d think they would have figured out the source of the strands by now if the source was the pillow fringe.

http://forums.wildabouttrial.com/showthread.php?pid=22752

While one can say that the strands appear consistent with the pillow fringe and could have come from there, you can’t say with any confidence that the pillows are the source. It could be any of a number of things. The defense never argued that the strands in the bathroom were from the rope, anyways.

JDT’s entire two articles about ropes and fibers leads us in a giant circle back to where we started from. We already knew the pillow fringe was a possible source of the strands in the bathroom. We already knew the material on the stairs and the strands in the bathroom were only possibilities of fragments from the rope. We knew this at the time of the trial. So, Just Da Truth’s scientific “proof” is really no more than much ado about knotting.

JDT Crushed the Candy Crush Blog

I Think Knot.

candy-crush-sagaIn Crushing the Candy Crush Blog, JDT tries to refute many things Lise LaSalle wrote in her article The infamous Trial of Candy Crush, which points out various problems she saw with the Jodi Arias trial. Really, JDT trying to challenge Lise is like a Yorkshire terrier nipping at the hoof of a wild mustang. He’s just plain out of his league. Lise LaSalle, a writer on the All Things Crime Blog, is a highly educated and very talented writer with an ocean deep, intuitive soul. She’s also a legislative and court interpreter. JDT failed to crush the Candy Crush which was an article, not a blog, for starters. So, even JDT’s title is factually incorrect.

We found too many problems with his article for a short comment, and the comment grew into a full article. The article quickly became too long, as usual, so we had to scale back our discussion to just 20 of the problems we found. I believe we debunked many things this “debunker” wrote, but he never bothered to respond. In Milk and Cookies for the “crusher” of Candy Crush, we replied to Just Da Truth’s contentions. One of his contentions was that electronic devices are not a problem for jurors to access at will.

Electronic Devices Are Not a Problem

“If Jodi was so innocent as supporters would have you believe, then what was it that supporters felt jurors would see that would turn them from believing in her innocence, to believing in guilt? What exactly was out there that was patently false, that the juror’s might have been influenced by?” – Just Da Truth

Just these two sentences alone contain 3 factual errors. Can you spot all three?

In Milk and Cookies, we responded with this:

“It’s just too easy to go on Facebook or Twitter, etc. and see things about the trial without meaning to do so. If these comments and reports are all one-sided, the juror then is aware of overwhelming public sentiment, and may feel compelled to act in support of that sentiment, which is the main argument for sequestration. (Please see New Discarded Juror Questions….)

Your statement “What exactly was out there that was patently false, that the juror’s might have been influenced by?” – You really can’t be serious by asking this, can you? Where would we begin?”

https://spotlightonlaw.wordpress.com/milk-and-cookies-for-the-crusher-of-candy-crush-dec-28/

This from the same guy who states that “Jodi Arias supporters are more depraved than she is.” calls Jodi Arias a “Ho”, and believes the story that she hid behind a Christmas tree.* Even though we were both on the same page on Facebook for weeks, he never once mentioned our article. C’est dommage!

*(We will explore these claims in a future article)

electronic-gadgets-1We saw what JDT had to say. Now let’s see what the American Bar Association has to say about electronic devices:

” Lawyers, witnesses, spectators, and jurors regularly use cell phones, Smart phones, PDAs, laptops, and other electronic devices before, during, and after trial. Jurors’ use of such devices can lead to serious misconduct, which can require extreme remedies such as mistrials. Or even worse if not detected, it can deprive parties 
of “their day in court.

“The problems created by jurors misuse of electronic devices is occurring across the country, for example, as reported by the Associated Press in a March 7, 2010 article New Rules Designed to Keep Jurors Offline.”

“Last year, a San Francisco Superior Court judge dismissed 600 potential jurors after several acknowledged going online to research the criminal case before them.

Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon challenged her misdemeanor embezzlement conviction after discovering five jurors ‘friended’ one another on Facebook during the trial.”

“And a federal judge in Florida declared a mistrial after eight jurors admitted Web surfing about a drug case.”

“Jury misconduct regarding the use of technology has become so widespread that a new term ‘Google mistrial’ has resulted.”

http://www.ncsc.org/~/media/Files/PDF/Jury/fairtrialhandbookauthcheckdam.ashx

And none of these were high profile cases with a nation wide, let alone a world wide interest.

Justda minute now, JDT said “there’s nothing patently false out there” and that electronic devices are not a problem. Nope, no problems there.

Gas Monkey

In another Just Da Truth article, JDT tries to prove that George Barwood is wrong about Jodi’s gas tank size. Gas Monkey lgGeorge Barwood, also called “GeeBee” stated that the size of the gas tank was not entered into evidence and so it could be possible that the tank was a larger size, European tank of about 15.8 gallons.

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/

Forget about the larger gas tank theory, we already know that Jodi appeared to buy more gas than could fit into her gas tank and 2 cans. You only need  a good search engine and a few minor calculations to understand this.

JDT takes on George Barwood’s theory and tries to prove it wrong because the tank would need to be nearly empty to hold the amount of gas Jodi bought, and thus she would have been running on “E” (low fuel) for miles of her trip through Utah. He also goes on to explain that she would be dangerously low on fuel all the time she was at Ryan Burn’s house in West Jordan.

Let’s take a look at JDT’s calculations:

“There are 16 cups to a gallon, so if we do the math, by GeeBee’s estimation, she has about 12 ounces, or 1  1/4 cups of gas at the Tesoro station, which would give her the equivalent of just over 1.75 miles in the city or just under 2.75 miles on the highway before her tank is bone dry.”

“Most modern passenger cars, mine included, give a low fuel warning when you’re down to about 2 gallons of gas. So at some point in the previous 48-70 miles, Jodi’s fuel warning light went off. Remember, we’re basing this on GeeBee’s hypothesis that she was driving with a bigger tank.”

“So approximately 70 miles from West Jordan, her low fuel light went off. She would also have the fuel gauge to indicate she’s down below 1/8 of a tank and she’d know that her gas cans were empty.” – Just Da Truth

gas pumpJDT again goes through a lot of mathematical computations. He even estimates that Jodi would have only “about 12 ounces or 1 ¼ cups of gas” by the time she gets to the Tesoro station.

But he’s forgetting something. If Jodi had 3 gas cans, those were all empty, too. This means that under the same conditions, with a smaller gas tank, Jodi would have run out of gas long before she got to Ryan’s home. And JDT wonders why we think his “scientific” proofs and “debunkings” are laughable?

(This article is in danger of becoming too long, so we will have even more to say about this next time.)

All Aboard the Banana Boat

Then comes the big scoop. JDT does some research and discovers that Jodi also bought Noxema face cleaning pads and sunscreen at the Walmart when she bought the gas can. The inference is that if Travis agrees to take Jodi to Cancun on Pre-Paid Legal’s annual VIP trip, she will not have to murder him.

receiptJDT looks at the items on the Walmart receipt and finds that Jodi bought small sized tubes of sunscreen. He notes that only small tubes of liquids are allowed on carry-on for commercial aircraft. From there he deduces that Jodi decided that if Travis allows her to go on this trip with him, she is ready with the right size of sunscreen for air travel regulations and the murder is off. So this proves that Travis’ refusal to take Jodi on his trip to Cancun, Mexico is the motive for murder.

Here’s JDT sounding the claxon of good tidings of great joy”

“So, I got to really thinking about some my own niggling questions, and decided to create a new thread to address them. In the midst of researching one element of my question, I stumbled upon what I believe is the truth and the motive behind the killing of Travis Alexander.”

“You guys are going to sh*t your pants. Seriously. I won’t even bother sugar-coating it by saying you’ll poo your pants, nope my friends, you’re going to sh*t your pants.” – Just Da Truth

1329953611-348885_fullLet’s think about the implications. What about the gas cans? Will she leave them in Travis’ garage? What about the rental car? Can she drop it off at the Phoenix airport? What about Ryan? What about the gun and knife she supposedly had? What about Jodi’s lack of cash and her need to get busy and start earning some money? Jodi had been in a secret relationship with Travis and hidden away for nearly a year. Now she will go to Cancun and parade around with him in front of Travis’ friends and business partners? Yeah, that would have happened.

And why is it preferable to have poo in you pants, rather than sh*t?

It was an interesting discovery, I’ll admit. I’m not sure who first made this discovery. Maybe matching the small tubes with airline rules for carry on of liquids was JDT’s new twist to an old story. We did our own research months ago when we heard about this from another source. We Googled the SKU numbers. We discovered that, yes, the item on the receipt was sunscreen. Yes, they were 2 small 3 oz. tubes of Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry Touch SPF 85 Sunblock.

JDT’s article promised his readers lots of excrement excitement when they found out that Jodi bought sunscreen in small tubes. Even though she is coming from Yreka in far northern California, to the desert states in the Summer in June (104 degrees or 40 C. in June, 2008). Who knows what Jodi was planning to do if she hadn’t spent so much time at Travis’ home? Brad Justda decides that Jodi really doesn’t need any sunscreen when she’s in the states because she drives mostly at night. Is JDT positive that Jodi didn’t get slightly burned in Southern California earlier or realize she may need some sunscreen and then decided to get some?

Does JDT think that Travis would be so gallant in rushing around to change his tickets and accompany Jodi to Cancun, but refuse to share his sunscreen with her?

Yes, it’s all about Cancun, a perplexing motive for which there is meager evidence. There is not real mention of Cancun in their communications and Travis could not change his tickets. This is set up one year in advance and Jodi didn’t expect to go. Jodi knew he was going with someone else weeks before. This idea infers that Travis, on June 4th, could not tell Jodi, you can’t go, but we can do something special together soon, instead.  Would that have stopped Jodi from murdering Travis?  Why not?

Jodi was on a tight budget on her trip. Sunscreen is expensive. I would also buy a small quantity instead of having a big bottle to lug around, and I’m not planning on murdering anyone, or going to Mexico. What’s so great about Cancun that I would murder if I can’t go there? It’s just a dumb motive.

Yes, Jodi was on a tight budget and Jodi loves her some beauty products, that’s for sure. Can Just Da Truth agree on that?

Back when people were talking about the sunscreen issue, We researched it a little more than Just Da Truth did. We found that sunscreen is used by many women as an economical and viable substitute for expensive moisturizers and as a make-up primer.

Guess what is by far the most popular and most recommended brand for these uses? It’s Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry Touch Sunblock (with helioplex), the exact sunscreen that Arias purchased.

Here are two different discussions about this:

yahoo answers 2YAHOO QUESTIONS

Can you use sunscreen as a moisturizer?

“Are you able to use sunscreen as a moisturizer for the face? I find that lotion can cause break outs, which is mainly the reason my face is dry. I have been using acne cream, and my face is all kinds of DRY!!!

Best Answer Asker’s Choice

  • aheart answered 6 years ago

“For me the problem is that I have an oily complexion and I also get those unwanted zits, but since I also have sensitive skin I try not to use harsh treatments. I try to go for the natural stuff. Try looking for the healing garden natural oatmeal soap to wash out your face and use Neutrogena’s Ultra Sheer Dry Touch Sunblock SPF 45+ with helioplex, that one is really good and won’t add the unnecessary shine, by the way, using a suncreen also prevents early signs of aging.”

icompactAsker’s rating & comment

DarleneH (09-01-2011) Sunscreen as makeup primer?

Millenium  Club

Have any of you discovered any sunscreens that function as good primers too, for smoothing out your skin texture? I would think a sunscreen with a lot of silicones would work for that?

bagelwright

Senior Member

Darlene- Try Neutrogena’s Ultra Sheer SPF 30-45 as a primer. It has a dry silky feel and the sunscreen is fabulous!

http://www.icompact.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19331

Why 85 instead of 45? Who knows? Maybe the sun was hot or maybe they were sold out of the SPF 45. This Neutrogena sunblock doesn’t come in a larger size.

Do I want to be like Just Da Truth and say that this proves Jodi is not guilty of M1? No, I wouldn’t say that. That wouldn’t be scientific, logical, or a legally sound argument. I only offer these as possible reasonable explanations. Are there any reasons to buy sunscreen other than a Cancun ultimatum?

In the same way, Justda’s discovery of airplane sized sunscreen is an intersting addition to the Cancun conundrum, but I’m hardly about to take a ride on the banana boat over it. Also, he was a little late to the party.

  • Community QVC.com chatters were talking about the Neutorgena sunscreen Cancun connection on March 7, 2013
  • People on Facebook and Twitter were discussing the Neutorgena sunscreen Cancun connection on March 7, 2013
  • Websleuths.com was discussing the Neutorgena sunscreen Cancun connection on March 9, 2013
  • HLNTV.com reported about the Neutrogena sunscreen Cancun connection on March 23, 2013
  • JDT reported the Neutrogena sunscreen Cancun connection on August 29, 2013

If she couldn’t take the sunscreen on the plane, why would people on all these other sites even bother discussing it?

This was old news, JDT. My underwear stayed nice and clean.

I think we’re right back where we started. Cancun? – It could be, or then again, maybe not. By the way, Jodi was unanimously found guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder on May 8, 2013, so why do prosecution supporters still insist on trying to prove stuff for the prosecution? It’s an agenda driven thing, not to mention that you can fire up a lot of fans simply by finding some new thing to report about Jodi Arias and / or calling her depraved and a whore.

justdatruthBrad Justda continues to believe that Jodi has to prove she’s innocent and that her defenders must disprove all elements of any and all allegations against her. Her defenders must prove that Jodi was not running on empty in Utah. They must prove that the sunscreen was not for Cancun and they must prove there was a rope. This can be referred to as the old rope-a-dope.

JDT can start by providing proof of the story that Jodi hid behind a Christmas tree including what day this happened, and provide evidence that Jodi is a “Ho”. What used to be shocking is now only amusing to me. But is this “just the truth”? Knot very likely.

mini meJDT, or Juan Martinez’ mini-me, is a numbers guy, so he knows that there are at least ten times more prosecution supporters than Jodi supporters to populate his websites. These people gather on Just Da Truth forum to cheer on JDT as he  makes logical arguments founded on false premises or with illogical conclusions, “proves” things we already know, and uses unscientific methods to “scientifically” prove things which cannot be proven.

Do Just Da Truth and his more avid followers get some things right? They do make interesting points. They take a hard look at the evidence, but it’s only Just Da evidence that they want to take a look at. Some of them certainly enjoy making personal attacks for the fun of it.

Sounds justda great, but it kind of ain’t.

Speaking of comics, we find Just Da Truth Blog to be an endless source of comedy.

Your Comments are warmly welcome!

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See the article by Lise LaSalle.

http://www.allthingscrimeblog.com/2013/12/18/the-infamous-trial-of-candy-crush/

A good reference site by George Barwood

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Pasadena+to+SLC+%28Gas+can+theory%29

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Milk and Cookies for the “Crusher” of Candy Crush

Milk and Cookies for the

“Crusher” of Candy Crush !

Opinion by Amanda Chen and Rob Roman

candy crush

Lisa LaSalle, a Canadian blogger, fired the first shot across the bow in the battle of the upcoming 2nd penalty phase in the Jodi Arias trial with her article called “The Infamous Trial of Candy Crush”. Lisa’s article was a very well written and intelligent summary of many of the problems Jodi Arias supporters and others see in the first phases of the trial.

This shot must have made quite a splash, because JustDaTruth, a well-known advocate for the prosecution fired back with a scathing article, called “Crushing the Candy Crush”. In this article, the author, who prefers to remain anonymous,  gave factual reasons and logical arguments for he believes the Candy Crush article was off base.

cookies-and-milk-cookies-367297_593_552In this article, we will be replying to the Crusher of Candy Crush, and we will not fire back. We will simply serve him or her milk and cookies, better known as food for thought, This culinary response is based on facts, logic, and reasoning.

These are the first articles we have read from Lisa LaSalle and from JustDaTruth. We were impressed with both articles as civil dialogue and a healthy exchange of ideas. Links to both articles are shared below. We highly encourage and recommend  that you read both of these articles to get some real insight into the major arguments from both sides.

Dear JustDaTruth,

justdatruthSome of your points were very good and interesting, but we find fault with some of your arguments. Your points are highlighted and below them are our responses:

One major point:

We disagree with the verdict of 1st degree premeditated murder. We do not find fault with the jury on that verdict. We are saying that what was presented to the jury was not the truth.

Why Try to Plead to 2nd Degree When Arias Claims it was Self-Defense?

Jodi is responsible for Travis’ death, regardless of whether it was self-defense, heat of passion, or murder. She knows this and she was willing to take a 20 year sentence for that responsibility and to avoid making this so public with a trial. However, she is not willing to take a life sentence or allow the state to execute her for a domestic homicide with no prior offenses, which has no business being a death penalty case in the first place.

“Jury Bias”

jury 8“Death qualified jury” means that no one who is totally opposed to the death penalty should be allowed to serve. That’s a whole lot of people. This is why the State of Arizona prosecutors like almost every murder trial to qualify for the Death Penalty. This means there are more people on the jury who will sympathize with the prosecution and be more willing to convict. This deprives Arias of some jurors who will understand the rights of the accused, including some who are especially empathetic and understanding of both domestic violence and some of the less understood causes of violence in our society.

(Please see new discarded jury questions for Jodi Arias….)

The Defense Attorneys “Are Not Public Defenders”

All Arizona defendants in a capital crime MUST, by statute, have two attorneys. A mitigation specialist is now required. Nurmi and Willmott ARE public defenders no matter where they work now. They are under constraints of a budget when presenting a defense. They cannot advocate for the defendant in any way outside the courtroom. sweetLawyers who are strictly public defenders also clear their schedule for a major trial and are very busy at other times, just like private defense attorneys.

Niether Nurmi nor Willmott can compete in terms of trial experience with Martinez’ 25 years prosecuting cases and influencing juries in court. If you look at his trial history, you can see that winning the conviction trumps the truth and ethical considerations, in spite of his having convicted some really bad blokes.

(Please see Spotlight on Juan Martinez, State vs. Falater, State vs. Grant. You might also want to watch Martinez’ testimony at Robert Towery’s Commutation hearing on Youtube. Look at the defenses’ response and the testimony of Towery’s sisters. There’s something about this Martinez, there really is.)

Death Penalty

Arias is death penalty eligible meaning her crime qualifies her for the death penalty. But does it really? No one in America has faced the death penalty with similar facts. This is because of Arizona’s F(6) aggravator cruelty prong which can qualify almost any homicide for the DP. Three other women stabbed their partners to death in AZ in 2008. One shot their partner to death, and two ran them over with cars. None of these women, or any of the scores of men who killed their partners in 2008, or any other years, besides one man who chased down and stabbed his wife to death outside his home in front of witnesses, faced the DP in Arizona.

cookies and milk bffsTraditionally Non-Sequestered Jury in AZ.

If we always rely solely on precedent, we ignore the realities of an ever-changing society. The new reality, according to Alan Dershowitz, the very experienced appellate attorney and Harvard law Professor, recommended by Fox News, is that no one can expect a fair trial in a high profile murder case in this day and age. He went on to say that even judges and governors can be affected by ratings motivated sensationalism and the “lynch mobs” they create.

(Please see Heroes, Zeros ans Geniuses in the Jodi Arias Case)

Judge Stephens Controlled the Court Room

Judge Sherry is not experienced in capital cases and this was her first. What’s the reason? The court in AZ is jammed with capital murder trials, so they need more and more judges to preside over them. Judge Stephens was afraid to make the tough decisions for fear of political backlash and appellate review and she was not in control of her courtroom. Had a cell phone gone off during Martinez’ closing statement instead of Nurmi’s, do you think that Judge Stephens would have admonished the court instead of just giving a blank stare? The idea that Arias’ family said or did anything inappropriate in the courtroom is a flat-out lie, there’s no evidence of that at all and they are as just as about far away from the jury as you can get.

The Alexander family did in fact purposely make eye contact and conducted non-verbal communication with jury members. It’s not their fault, they were never told they cannot do this. This is entirely different than emotional reactions when they were looking straight ahead instead of to their left. This is forbidden in most court rooms throughout the US. Did you see this principle being clearly demonstrated in the Zimmerman trial? The Martin family members were stoned-faced throughout the trial, and they left when they felt they could not keep their emotions in check.

Evidence of this non-verbal communication is clear in many trial videos. Family members can be seen making direct eye contact with jurors. This communication revealed itself when one juror went directly up to the Alexanders and apologized for the failure to achieve a death verdict. If Sherry had no bias, how do you explain her emotions when the jury could not come to a unanimous agreement? Failure to reach a unanimous decision happens all the time, so what was that emotion about?

Electronic Devices Are Not a Problem

It’s just too easy to go on Facebook or Twitter, etc. and see things about the trial without meaning to do so. If these comments and reports are all one-sided, the juror then is aware of overwhelming public sentiment, and may feel compelled to act in support of that sentiment, which is the main argument for sequestration. (Please see New Discarded Juror Questions….)

Your statement “What exactly was out there that was patently false, that the juror’s might have been influenced by?” – You really can’t be serious by asking this, can you? Where would we begin?

Lisa Daidone: Stalking Evidence

Lisa Daidone hardly knew Jodi, had rarely been around her and only spoke of one incident when Jodi showed up at Travis’ home. She depended primarily on the word of Travis Alexander, who was derisive of Jodi to his friends while talking to Jodi for hours and having sex with her late at night between and after dates with Lisa Daidone. Did YOU watch the trial? Please tell me  who else testified with a first-hand story about Jodi’s “stalking behavior”?

cuteDeanna Reid didn’t testify that Jodi hid behind a Christmas tree or crawled through the doggy door. Deana Reid, Travis ex-girlfriend, showed up at Travis’ home one week when Travis was away on business. She claimed that Travis asked her to walk his dog, Napolean. Deanna went over to Travis’ home and was surprised to see Jodi Arias there. She claims that Travis had no knowledge that Jodi was there. Is this true? Jodi didn’t hide behind a Christmas tree then. Instead, she was baking and she offered Deanna some chocolate chip cookies. Deanna’s described Jodi’s behavior to the jury as like a “Stepford Wife”. Damned if you do serve cookies, and damned if you don’t and just hide behind the tree .

LaViolette Was Not Balanced / Fair To Travis

As far as Travis being afraid of Jodi, he did not report any incident, he did not change his locks, he did not change his garage code, and he did not even lock his front door. He did not stop answering the booty call. This is why LaViolette was saying that Travis’ actions did not mimic his words when he said he was in fear of Jodi.

Alyce LaViolette is one of this country’s foremost experts in domestic violence. She isn’t a “shopped for” witness. With over 30 years experienced directly dealing with both the victims and the perpetrators of domestic violence, she’s a wish-list witness. Her testimony is that Travis Alexander’s behaviors as reported by Jodi Arias and as objectively supported by independent evidence, were derisive and abusive throughout the relationship. They fit a pattern she recognized. LaViolette stands by her testimony to this day.

(Please see Spotlight on Domestic Violence)

Samuels Cheated for Jodi

Psychologist Dr. Samuels did not think that Jodi needed to be re-tested because whether she is a witness to a murder or a participant in a killing, the trauma she experienced is the same trauma experience. Therefore the idea that she needed to re-tested is a ludicrous technicality. PTSD victims have different symptoms and different ways of compensating, depending on their personalities, etc. Since you feel Jodi Arias does not suffer from PTSD, can either you or DeMarte explain the extra symptoms in her testing not accounted for by either BPD or PD non-specified (NOS), yet do account for PTSD? We are patiently awaiting your answer……

Offering Books to Prisoners

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Offering books to prisoners, to put it bluntly, don’t mean sh*t.
This is just nitpicking by Martinez.

Arias was tested by 3 psychologists in all and the findings of 2 were reviewed by a 4th psychologist. Yes, there were four Psychologists altogether. You may hear from the 4th Psychologist at the 2nd penalty phase. The sole dissenting opinion about the diagnoses came from Dr. DeMarte, a novice.

How do you know the prosecution did not “shop” for Dr. DeMarte, as they did with Ray Krone, who spent 10 years in prison and 2 years on death row on shopped for false expert testimony?

(Please see What’s going on in Arizona, Maricopa part 1 and 2)

Jodi Lied to Her Parents

What Jodi’s parents said about her, that was not brought into evidence at trial, was that Jodi did not CONFIDE in her parents. This is much different than saying she lied to them all the time. She hardly spoke with them. Jodi did not share the details of her life with her parents. This is understandable as she was shown little affection or love. If you think a good idea as a parent of a 14 year-old is to call the police because your daughter is growing some pot seeds in Mom’s Tupperware on the roof, then God bless you. Experimentation is the basic job description of teens and if your own parents are not on your side and loyal to you, God help you. Who throws their own child to the wolves and doesn’t even provide legal help for a daughter accused of murder? Fortunately people can change. Jodi has changed and her parents have changed.

The Defense Agreed with DeMarte

The defense did not “buy” Borderline Personality Disorder. They had already stated Personality Disorder NOS (Non-Specified). The defense adopted both BPD and the 1st degree premeditated guilty verdict at the time of the 1st penalty phase because that is what threy believed the jury accepted. At that point in the trial, you have to argue the facts that the jury most likely believes, not your own.

Martinez Destroyed Defense Witnesses

thinking man 2With both LaViolette and Samuels, Martinez did little damage to their testimony and the objective facts they presented. What Martinez is so experienced at is discrediting the source of the information. Samuels is nothing more than a Messy Marvin and a pervert aching to touch Jodi’s naughty parts. LaViolette is a kooky liberal lesbian who believes that even Snow White is a battered woman.

Defense Expert’s False Claims

There were no experts who claimed or tried to demonstrate that Jodi acted in self-defense or that it was a sudden heat-of-passion homicide. The experts presented merely provided evidence and testimony which demonstrated that it was a possibility, and that’s all they needed to do.

Gas Can Evidence Proves Premeditation

ccspresskitThe amount of gas purchased at Tesoro was 25 + gallons. The capacity of 2 gas cans and the Ford Escort gas tank is 25 + gallons. It was not proven that Jodi had 3 gas cans at Tesoro, nor was it proven that she did not return the third gas can to Wal-Mart. It was merely proven that a clerk, who testified that a SKU number is spelled S-K-E-W, did not find a record of return in the places that she searched.

Talk about skewed testimony! The defense had no opportunity to adequately investigate and respond to this claim.

Back Stabbing and George Barwood

A note about George Barwood.

George is a UK resident. He has painstakingly compiled many facts and ideas about the Jodi Arias case on a Wikispace. George is active in helping advocating for the accused in wrongful conviction cases and he has worked on issues such as reducing domestic violence and abolition of the death penalty.

George is attacked as “not an expert” and not from the United States and therefore not qualified to give his opinion. This is the typical Martinez tactic of attacking the source rather than the information. Since George Barwood, as posters  say, is not an  expert, then you don’t need to be an expert to refute his ideas. So how about attacking his ideas and opinions with some of your own, instead of trying to cop out and attack him personally? Hmmmm?

The questions surrounding the tight pattern of wounds on Travis’ back have been contemplated by many people with the autopsy photos and a sense of reasoning. It is not only George Barwood’s theory, but agreement among many people, including, believe it or not, Juan Martinez.

Many people on the defense side of this trial have vastly differing beliefs about what the verdicts should be as well as having vastly different theories. This includes ideas from George Barwood, a meticulous collector of facts, and two articles by Richard Speights, on how the knife attack can be defensive in nature and a theory about the gun being first. Various others with varying degrees of experience and common sense, have also come to similar conclusions.

It was Juan Martinez himself, demonstrating using the court reporter as victim, who showed that a person can be stabbed from a variety of angles and positions. Juan used both sides of the same argument to make his points many times during the trial.

Travis autopsy diagramIf you stabbed a person in the back from in front, the sharp edge could still be facing downward depending on how you grasped the knife. Most of the stab wounds are diagonal. How can a stab wound to the back be an inch or more deep when they were all stopped by the ribs and spine? – Only due to the decomposition / bloating of the body.

Use of Felony Murder Charge

If the prosecution was so positive it was a premeditated murder and only Jodi was involved, then there’s no need for the 1st degree felony murder charge. You stated that under felony murder if a fight breaks out and a person is killed, if it’s the victim’s house, it’s first degree felony murder and if it’s at the perpetrator’s home, it’s not.

This is what you said. Think about it. That’s ludicrous.

This is why felony murder and domestic violence don’t mix. The added charge of felony murder means that the prosecution does not believe the gun was last (Gun first is the only reasonable explanation for felony murder). The felony murder charge can also mean that the prosecution doesn’t believe that only Arias was involved in the crime (felony murder charges are often used when accomplices are involved) and/or that this was a pre-mediated murder (felony murder charges are used when the murder is not pre-meditated).

In any case, this doesn’t bode well for a fair trial, because the jury believed all of these ideas.

This is just an advanced version of Martinez’ trick questions akin to “Have you stopped beating your wife yet?”. A good example of this is “Did you cry when you were stabbing him?”. How clever! Both trails of yes and no choices mean you beat your wife, you stabbed him and you are going to the execution chamber.

Sex Evidence Used for Distraction

cookies and milkThe sex evidence was not used for distraction or to win over a horny juror. The sex evidence was crucial in showing Travis’ carefully hidden character and why it was possible that he suddenly could fly into a severe and violent rage. This was a hidden relationship with hidden activities, hidden conflicts, and alleged hidden violence. Without that sex evidence, no jury could ever believe what Jodi was saying about Travis, an ordained elder in the LDS Church. The sex evidence was not aimed at “trashing Travis”

(Please see An Open Letter to Wendy Murphy)

“Humiliation / Battery” of Victim’s Family

Perhaps this is just your perception because of your viewpoint. There is no real evidence that Jodi lied under oath about Travis. There is no basis to claim that she has done anything at the trial or publicly during the trial or since that “batters” or “humiliates” the Alexander family. This is begging for sympathy for Travis, which by the way we ALL have, but not when evaluating the facts.

As a matter of fact, Jodi Arias sided with the prosecution against her own attorney in arguing to clear the court for the playing of the sex tape.

If you insist that your allegations of “humiliation and battery” are true, please supply specific examples. Travis’ lifestyle and behavior were objectively proven, independently of Jodi’s testimony, to be abusive and demeaning throughout the relationship. In fact, he was abusive to Lisa Daidone and Mimi as well. Deanna was all for living with Napoleon, not so much with Travis.

Oh Holy Night

Both Lisa LaSalle and JustDaTruth are correct. Sheriff Joe has not done anything negative towards Jodi Arias, in fact he has done some good things for her (allowing her interviews, supplying her with excellent protection during the trial, allowing her participation in a talent contest at Christmas time). Regardless of how anyone feels about the other policies of Sheriff Joe, he has been generally good to Jodi Arias.

Lisa laSalleLisa LaSalle’s paragraph about Oh Holy Night (the song Jodi sang in Estrella Jail to win the Christmas talent contest) wasn’t about Sheriff Joe, it was about how so-called “haters” love to hate Jodi and love to wish her cruelties and suffering even at Christmas time.

This hating of a complete stranger continues, even though Jodi Arias is in custody and will face life in prison or execution for her acts.
…….As if somehow this is not enough.
Relax. Let justice run its course. Listen to both sides of the story, follow the 2nd penalty phase and enjoy some milk and cookies!

Lisa LaSalle’s Article:

http://www.allthingscrimeblog.com/2013/12/18/the-infamous-trial-of-candy-crush/

JustDaTruth’s Article:

http://justdatruth2012.blogspot.com/2013/12/jodi-arias-crushing-candy-crush-blog.html

George Barwood’s sites about the Arias case:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JodiAriasOpen/489720477813066/?notif_t=group_comment_reply

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/